These Are The 10 Worst Places To Live In New York For 2019


We used science and data to determine which cities in The Empire State are the real pits.

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Editor’s Note: This article is an opinion based on facts and is meant as infotainment. Don’t freak out we updated this article for 2019. This is our fifth time ranking the worst places to live in New York.

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The state of New York. You can’t possibly attempt to summarize the entire state in a couple of paragraphs. Except we can tell you, the people there are fiercely protective of where they live. And, like most other people in the northeast, they’d most likely you stay out. Even when you’re on vacation.

If you’ve ever been to the state of New York (besides NYC), you’d know why it’s a gem. If you haven’t been, and actually venture out beyond the confines of downtown, you’d see it’s one of the most beautiful places in the country.

But is it all good in The Empire State? Of course not. Just like every other state, New York has its least desirable spots. The purpose of this post is to use science and data to determine which cities are the worst you could possibly live in if you make New York your home.

After analyzing 161 of the state’s most populous cities (over 5,100 people), we came up with this list as the 10 worst places to live in the state of New York:

  1. Newburgh (Photos)
  2. Monticello (Photos)
  3. Rochester (Photos)
  4. Endicott
  5. Lockport (Photos)
  6. Poughkeepsie (Photos)
  7. Gloversville
  8. Binghamton (Photos)
  9. Niagara Falls (Photos)
  10. Buffalo (Photos)

What? Where are these places you wonder? And before you get all riled up and say we’re picking on small town America, that’s not the case.

We understand there’s a lot of good in every place.

However, according to data (which doesn’t measure things like beauty and ‘friendly people’), there are far better options in the state for making a place home. And the worst place to live in New York? That would be Newburgh.

Read on below to see how we crunched the numbers and see how your city fared in 2019.

If you’re looking for something more national, check out the worst cities in America or the worst states in America.

For more New York reading, check out:

How we determined the worst places to live in New York for 2019

To figure out how bad a place is to live in, we only needed to know what kinds of things people like and then decide what cities have the least amount of those things.

We don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that people like the following things:

  • Good education
  • Lots of jobs
  • Low crime
  • Low poverty
  • Nice homes
  • High incomes
  • High population density (Lots of things to do)
  • Short work commutes
  • Health insurance

The data comes from the Census’s most recent American Community Survey and from the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

We broke crime down into violent crime and property crime to give violent crime a larger weight — if you did a simple calculation of all crimes per capita, property crimes are normally 7x more common and really bias that ranking.

Furthermore, only cities with at least 5,000 people were considered — leaving 161 cities.

We then ranked each city from 1 to 161 for all the criteria with a #1 ranking being the worst for the particular criteria.

Next, we averaged the rankings into one “Worst Place To Live Score”.

Finally, we ranked every city on the “Worst Place To Live Score” with the lowest score being the worst city in New York — Newburgh. Read on for a detailed look at the 10 worst cities in New York.

This list is a scientific analysis based on real data and is completely unbiased.

Newburgh, NY

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Population: 28,444
Rank Last Year: 1 (No Change)
Median Home Value: $170,900 (74th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 10.2% (17th worst)
More on Newburgh:  Data | Photos

Newburgh needs some tough love as it ranks as the 1st worst city to live in New York for 2019.

Crime in Newburgh is the 33rd highest in the state, where 1 in 38.1 people have a chance of being the victim of a property crime, according to the latest FBI numbers.

Additionally, the income is almost dead last in New York.

If commute time is important, Newburgh residents have the 74th longest commute of any residents on our list.

Review Of Newburgh by HomeSnacks User

Crime is out of control. Blacks commit almost 100% of the homicides. The city is overrun by black gangs who deal drugs, control prostitution, and commit heinous acts of violence.

Newburgh is a dumping ground for s*x-offenders released from NYS DOCS. Broadway in Newburgh is littered with derelicts and pedophiles and looks like something out of a movie.

Monticello, NY

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Population: 6,562
Rank Last Year: 2 (No Change)
Median Home Value: $83,700 (21st worst)
Unemployment Rate: 16.4% (1st worst)
More on Monticello:  Data | Photos

Monticello, NY needs a big hug right now. Residents here are underpaid, underemployed and possibly lonely.

Additionally, crime is 101st worst in the state, which is very high considering Monticello is so far removed from the rest of New York.

If you know anyone in Monticello, dm them on Facebook and tell them you love them. They can probably use it right about now.

Rochester, NY

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Population: 209,463
Rank Last Year: 3 (No Change)
Median Home Value: $79,400 (17th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 12.0% (6th worst)
More on Rochester:  Data | Photos

When you’re looking at the worst places you could live in New York, Rochester came in 3rd. Let’s see why.

The city has very bad crime (14th worst) and an employment rate that’s nearly the highest for cities of its size 12.0%. On the bright side, K-12 student spending is highest here than in the entire state.

Review Of Rochester by HomeSnacks User

I may not live in Rochester any more, but it will always be home!

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Population: 12,980
Rank Last Year: 8 (Up 4)
Median Home Value: $89,800 (30th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 10.2% (17th worst)
More on Endicott:  Data

When you’re looking at the worst places you could live in New York, Endicott ranks 4th worst. Let’s see why.

Here in Endicott, crime is the 4th highest in the state, and 1 out of 23.2 residents was robbed here according to the latest FBI numbers.

That’s not the first place you think of making home, is it?

Additionally, you have a 1 in 126 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, which includes rapes, attacks or murders. That’s really high.

When you look at adult education in New York, the folks in Endicott have the 62nd highest drop out rate. And other factors that make Endicott undesirable are the low median incomes and home prices.

The unemployment rate is the 17th highest in New York, at 10.2%. That’s actually on par with the national average, which means New York has some hard workers.

Lockport, NY

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Population: 20,676
Rank Last Year: 51 (Up 46)
Median Home Value: $88,500 (27th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 6.6% (72nd worst)
More on Lockport:  Data | Photos

Lockport, NY needs a big hug right now. The unemployment rate here is 6.6%, the median income is just above the poverty line, and the crime is the 2nd highest in the state. You have a 1 in 21.0 chance of being robbed here every year.

You could find a much better place to call home.

Poughkeepsie, NY

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Population: 30,505
Rank Last Year: 5 (Down 1)
Median Home Value: $190,400 (80th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 12.7% (2nd worst)
More on Poughkeepsie:  Data | Photos

Poughkeepsie is also a pretty crummy place to live, when you look at the numbers. Yes, we’re aware that it’s beautiful and “fun”. But that ignores important things like jobs and income.

Poughkeepsie residents earn the 37th-lowest salaries in the state. At $40,840 a year, people here most likely have a hard time getting ahead in life. And the average home costs are $190,400, which means there isn’t a lot of demand.

Crime is the 58th highest in New York per capita, and the unemployment rate here is 2nd highest in the state, at 12.7%.

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Population: 15,052
Rank Last Year: 4 (Down 3)
Median Home Value: $77,400 (10th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 11.1% (9th worst)
More on Gloversville:  Data

Gloversville is right next door to Johnstown. Both areas are really undesirable, when looking at it from a scientific perspective. However, Gloversville takes the cake as the worst of the worst.

The issue with Gloversville is crime and homes that are some of the least expensive in the state. For an average price of $77,400, you can live in Gloversville. Does that tell you how bad it is here?

Additionally, Gloversville currently has a huge problem with robberies. If you’re within Gloversville city limits, you have a 1 in 41.6 chance of being robbed. Perhaps it’s the high unemployment rate (11.1%) or the low income levels ($35,397 per household), but you simply can’t let your guard down if you live here.

Binghamton, NY

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Population: 45,964
Rank Last Year: 10 (Up 2)
Median Home Value: $87,500 (26th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 11.7% (8th worst)
More on Binghamton:  Data | Photos

The unemployment rate in Binghamton is a sky high 11.7%, which is the 8th highest in the state. Ouch.

The median income in Binghamton is $31,103. That means 33.3% of the population is living below the poverty line. Crime isn’t horrible here, but you have a 1 in 23.2 chance of being the victim of a property crime when you’re within city limits every year.

Review Of Binghamton by HomeSnacks User

Crime: I lived in the Binghamton area for 50+ years. There are some bad areas as with any town but I only had a few incidents in all those years. It is not a city of urban decay and violence.

Jobs: Mostly service oriented. If you are in the tech field go elsewhere. There is Lockheed Martin, BAE and Universal Instruments and not much else. These companies are dependent on contracts for their survival so expect layoffs/downturns. There is a large skilled labor force looking for work due to the rotten economy so good jobs are hard to find.

Weather: Overcast with a 75% chance of rain throughout the day.

Cost of living: Houses are cheap but taxes and everything else offsets that.

People: Generally the folks are pretty darn good. A mix of rightwingers and liberals. People seem to be tolerant and will give you a chance if you don’t act like an idiot. Not much money but good people.

Weather and economy are depressing.

There are things to do outside when the rain and snow stops. Tennis, biking, hiking, parks.

I cant comment on the night life but a large amount of students reside there during the school year so there must be some entertainment.

There are nice shops and restaurants and museums. Everything is close by.

Traffic is not a problem as most people left decades ago.

If you are retirement age then it is a great place to live. Plenty of medicenters and clinics.

If you are young then get out while you can.

Binghamton is like living at your parents house: You have what you need to survive but you cant wait to leave.

Niagara Falls, NY

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Population: 48,976
Rank Last Year: 8 (Down 1)
Median Home Value: $69,900 (6th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 9.4% (23rd worst)
More on Niagara Falls:  Data | Photos

Niagara Falls is the 2nd most dangerous place in the state of New York. We’re not talking about falling over the cliffs. And yes, pick pocketers preying on unsuspecting tourists is probably a high number of those crimes. But the fact remains, that when you’re within Niagara Falls city limits, you have a 1 in 21.0 chance of being robbed or having something you own vandalized.

Does that sound like a fun place to live? Did you know Niagara Falls also has the 23rd highest unemployment rate in the state at 9.4%? Or that homes are only valued at $69,900?

Say what you want about cheap living. The fact is, homes are priced by demand, and there’s little demand to live in Niagara Falls.

Review Of Niagara Falls by HomeSnacks User

Unfortunately I was born and raised here and this city has gone downhill so far it is truly depressing and disheartening. There isn’t anything for the youth to do but get into trouble following behind millennials, if their not doing that then their busy getting pregnant which I can’t figure out which one is worse.

My favorite places was the Center on Center Ave., Rainbow Mall, the Wintergarden, Ice Skating Ring, Splash Park and the Black Experience in the Summer until ALL of them got closed down.

Buffalo, NY

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Population: 259,574
Rank Last Year: 7 (Down 3)
Median Home Value: $77,800 (14th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 8.8% (30th worst)
More on Buffalo:  Data | Photos

you’re looking to live in New York, Buffalo might not be the best choice as it places 10th in our ranking of the worst places to live for 2019.

Buffalo doesn’t have the worst crime in the state, but it’s sure up there. And when you factor in one of the lowest household incomes in the state and a sky high unemployment rate, Buffalo may not be your first choice for a vacation.

Review Of Buffalo by HomeSnacks User

I don’t like buffalo NY at all it is very confusing city and very ugly with barely any jobs the transportation system is very bad.

It is a bad place to go to live and no place to raise a family

Wrapping Up The Worst In New York

If you’re looking at areas in New York with the worst economic situations, where there’s higher than average crime, and not a lot to do, this is an accurate list.

And in the end, Newburgh ranks as the worst city to live in New York for 2019.

If you’re curious enough, here are the best cities to live in New York:

  1. Sea Cliff (Pop. 5,085)
  2. North Hills (Pop. 5,524)
  3. Massapequa Park (Pop. 17,223)

For more New York reading, check out:

Detailed List Of The Worst Places To Live In New York

Rank City Population Unemployment Rate Home Value
1 Newburgh 28,444 10.2% $170,900
2 Monticello 6,562 16.4% $83,700
3 Rochester 209,463 12.0% $79,400
4 Endicott 12,980 10.2% $89,800
5 Lockport 20,676 6.6% $88,500
6 Poughkeepsie 30,505 12.7% $190,400
7 Gloversville 15,052 11.1% $77,400
8 Binghamton 45,964 11.7% $87,500
9 Niagara Falls 48,976 9.4% $69,900
10 Buffalo 259,574 8.8% $77,800
11 Utica 61,114 10.8% $89,400
12 Syracuse 144,405 10.5% $91,100
13 Schenectady 65,705 9.3% $110,800
14 Rensselaer 9,375 10.2% $126,800
15 Salamanca 5,594 9.8% $65,700
16 Troy 49,826 9.0% $144,400
17 Jamestown 30,094 9.1% $63,900
18 Hudson 6,452 5.4% $189,400
19 Newark 9,029 11.7% $86,000
20 Lackawanna 18,012 8.4% $90,100
21 Wappingers Falls 5,416 5.5% $211,900
22 Mastic Beach 14,850 8.9% $193,300
23 Ogdensburg 10,851 7.7% $68,100
24 Brockport 8,415 7.9% $115,400
25 Mount Vernon 68,671 8.7% $355,600
26 New Hempstead 5,359 10.0% $485,200
27 Spring Valley 32,538 10.0% $278,600
28 Goshen 5,381 4.7% $287,700
29 Port Jervis 8,670 7.5% $160,800
30 Rye Brook 9,543 8.9% $746,800
31 Fulton 11,509 12.4% $78,200
32 Kingston 23,419 7.7% $165,400
33 Albany 98,498 7.1% $171,900
34 Sleepy Hollow 10,190 5.4% $634,000
35 Herkimer 7,361 10.3% $81,900
36 Elmira 28,302 8.6% $72,800
37 Watertown 26,437 7.4% $131,200
38 Solvay 6,438 6.4% $107,700
39 Walden 6,781 6.8% $196,200
40 Amsterdam 17,974 8.8% $85,800
41 Massena 10,839 12.1% $75,100
42 Port Chester 29,623 6.4% $445,200
43 Oswego 17,723 8.6% $84,200
44 New York 8,560,072 7.8% $538,700
45 Geneva 13,048 7.6% $93,700
46 Webster 5,558 3.1% $149,700
47 Ossining 25,386 5.3% $368,200
48 Monroe 8,579 3.2% $313,800
49 Potsdam 9,710 10.4% $104,000
50 Ilion 7,930 10.5% $77,800
51 Hudson Falls 7,174 9.3% $125,400
52 Warwick 6,801 6.3% $310,700
53 Kiryas Joel 22,794 5.5% $406,100
54 Haverstraw 12,181 6.7% $248,100
55 Albion 5,614 5.2% $77,600
56 Beacon 14,279 7.6% $251,600
57 Oneida 11,120 6.9% $110,000
58 Baldwinsville 7,532 7.0% $118,700
59 North Syracuse 6,719 8.3% $102,900
60 Auburn 26,962 8.3% $97,800
61 Mount Kisco 10,994 3.7% $402,500
62 Peekskill 24,111 6.8% $286,200
63 Bath 5,611 6.7% $78,500
64 Batavia 14,868 5.3% $94,200
65 New Paltz 7,040 12.4% $270,800
66 Canton 6,553 9.6% $161,300
67 Washingtonville 5,774 4.9% $234,800
68 Dunkirk 12,064 8.4% $64,300
69 Johnstown 8,358 6.3% $88,600
70 Middletown 27,729 4.0% $185,300
71 Harrison 28,319 7.5% $824,300
72 East Rochester 6,646 5.6% $97,300
73 Patchogue 12,425 6.2% $300,100
74 West Haverstraw 10,353 5.7% $265,600
75 Mamaroneck 19,327 5.8% $611,100
76 Yonkers 200,999 8.0% $380,100
77 Medina 5,814 7.0% $71,300
78 Malone 5,752 6.0% $82,200
79 Hilton 5,896 7.3% $132,600
80 Olean 13,911 7.5% $77,600
81 Depew 15,283 5.1% $114,600
82 Lancaster 10,207 5.3% $122,900
83 Norwich 6,890 7.3% $86,100
84 New Rochelle 79,877 7.3% $552,700
85 White Plains 58,404 7.0% $526,100
86 Fredonia 10,695 8.6% $133,200
87 Oneonta 13,932 8.4% $147,000
88 Rome 32,589 5.2% $94,900
89 Chestnut Ridge 8,118 6.1% $440,700
90 East Aurora 6,230 3.3% $189,500
91 Saranac Lake 5,670 6.4% $163,100
92 New Square 7,995 10.5% $338,200
93 Geneseo 8,151 5.9% $162,600
94 Canandaigua 10,402 5.4% $161,300
95 Watervliet 10,201 6.1% $142,800
96 Amityville 9,513 5.8% $382,200
97 Briarcliff Manor 7,864 4.6% $686,200
98 Hempstead 55,698 5.4% $308,800
99 Suffern 10,984 5.5% $311,000
100 Cohoes 16,574 7.8% $158,400

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60 thoughts on “These Are The 10 Worst Places To Live In New York For 2019

  1. Wow, not only are you”two guys” not even remotely located to these areas, living in NC, but you really think these stats are enough, shouldn’t there be some weight against the good and the success,I am well versed in the johnstown gloversville area, born and raised and while there may be many local and current issues, that you speak of, such as crime and burglaries, along with the better places to reside statistically, the area has much to offer that many a person and their families migrate for. You can’t tell me that there aren’t worse areas in those respects, in other areas of our state! Where are you getting your so called facts and how in the world could this be infotainment to anyone living in these areas, shame on you for creating this topic! Why don’t you tell us a little bit about where you live?

  2. All jokes on my misspelling of words please. I type like a crazy person. But seriously to pick at harmless Oneida is incredibly mindless… whether its over “crunching numbers” or not. The title of the article doesnt even mention numbers. Do more research Nick James ya little jerk.

    1. Um Oneida is my hometown and I agree completely on it being on this list. Example 1: Maxwell park has swastikas and kkk written all over it’s concession stand. Example 2: my mother in law has been threatened to have her house shot up. Example 3: have you not heard of all the meth lab busts? Oneida is a crap hole and totally undesirable to live in. So glad I got out when I could.

        1. I do not see Canastota anywhere on that list. Why would you even bring it up? It obviously is not as bad of a place to live as these others or it would be on the list.

  3. This is a cool idea, but your numbers are skewed partly because you do not take into account cost of living. Long Island has some of the crappiest towns in New York, but they didn’t show up on the radar because incomes are so much higher here. At the same time, everything is higher here (crime, drugs, cost of everything). There are definitely some really lousy places in the rest of NY, but I’ve been all over this state an I can say for sure your numbers are not accurate because of what you’re leaving out.

  4. I am sorry but Herkimer is a safe place to live. Are there some bad areas in the town yes there are. All towns and cities have them. Is the poverty rate high around here yes and one of the reasons is because people are too damn lazy to get off their asses and get a job. They don’t want to lose their benefits. There are job opportunities around here. Yeah they don’t pay much but there are jobs that people can work. Houses for sale around here in the town are reasonable and that is because they come with little land. The more land a house has the more money you pay for the house. That is the way it works around here. The crime rate is not as high as you think it is. The only time it has a high rate is when the same college is back in session and the inner new york city kids come up here for a free ride and do nothing up here but cause trouble. Other

    1. It’s not always the city kids causing trouble in Herkimer. It’s mostly the local, inbred, drop-out punks that cause the most trouble. & they get away with everything just because mommy & daddy know everyone.
      Not to mention the high amount of rapists in the area & the high amount of drug users & dealers…..Same goes for Utica! The only difference is that there’s a higher cultural diversity in Utica (a good thing). But Herkimer doesn’t want to admit that they don’t like people from other ethnicities. I agree with this list.

    2. I agree. I grew up in Herkimer and still have family there. I readily admit that it has problems, like many small towns across the country do. However, this survey bases everything on statistics without taking into consideration the people who live in these towns. I’ve seen the Main Steet area in Herkimer get progressively worse over the years and I attribute it to one factor. Absentee landlords who don’t give a damn about who they rent to and how their properties look. This has nothing to to with racial diversity either. When all you care about is collecting rent from drug users and lifelong welfare recipients you create an environment in which a small town is set up to decline. Of course there are some local people in town whose character is questionable – like every town in America. However, I never noticed the kind of social decay that I’ve seen in recent years until the downtown area became a haven for people who came in from the cities, attracted only by the lower cost of living and the ease of getting a handout from the government since Herkimer is the county seat.

    3. The Village of Herkimer doesn’t even have a “Homeless” Shelter for either Men, Women or Children! People have to “Beg” the City of Utica for Housing Assistance. That is why your “quaint” village is on the list. Your city “Priorities” are “Idiotic” to say the least!

    4. Damn inner New York City kids. Get your free ride off my lawn of Herkimer safety town. Lose your benefits and get a minimum wage where is your dignity job. Excuse me Im off to Oneida to write on a concession stand

  5. Not sure how you have Watertown worse off than Ogdensburg or Cortland. I believe jobs have been growing here or at least Countywide for the past 10 years since Fort Drum expanded again. You’re picture of the downtown is across the street from a Convergys call center with more than 500 employees, which is slated to add around 400 more. Should really use better facts.

  6. i realize this is a opinion article…. but the author did no field work and based the entire list off statistics with no credibility. Absolutely no one should take this article seriously, it’s misleading and very poorly written. i doubt the author even lives in NY.. anyone who lives in NY knows about 90% of this is bullshit

  7. This idiot is comparing the Town of Richland to the Cities of…..Not right of course numbers will be different, Rural vs Urban

  8. Elmira deserves the trashing that it got. I was born and raised there and consider myself lucky to have made my second escape from there (my first, to Corning doesn’t count) in 2011. Crime is high, unemployment is high, property values are low (unless you live in West Elmira), and the education system sucks. Elmira is a nice place to be FROM, it’s a damned sight less family friendly than it was before Agnes.

  9. It’s funny how some towns/cities are listed twice on the main list of worst or best places to live; one under the other. Also, some of the places you have listed are living areas of social-assisted people. Another thing is Many drug dealers from NYC or thereabouts come up this way to sell their wares which causes people to do criminal things to get what they want. You need to include more different facts and information to make an accurate portrayal of what is what in what you have labeled the worst. I noticed nothing of the lower part of NYS is listed? Wonder why? Could it be that these people are moving “Upstate” so they can continue their nefarious ways? All in all many people are moving out of this state because of the poor conditions of HIGH taxes, little or no employment that they want to work because it doesn’t pay top dollar, or employment based on their higher education degree. Schools in these areas are so low funded is because our government thinks more of NYC then “Upstate” so more money goes there instead–more voters–you wash my back, I’ll wash yours idea! Many people move to this state because it’s easier to get social assistance so they don’t work. Attitude-why work when I can live off the system for years and make more that way then if I work!

    1. Sharon hit it on the bullseye !!! Upstate was probably the BEST place in the WORLD to live, emphasis on WAS !! Now THEY have a governor who sends EVERYTHING to NYC and upstate funds his “project” !! NYC votes him in because he gives them everything … DUH !!! In addition MOST of the 10 worst cities have a prison FULL of NYC drug dealers and murderers and all their “families” move to town bringing all their crime with them and “living off the state” !!! I wonder why those cities are “busted”, can’t figure that out !?!? Notice I said “THEY” and not “WE”, fortunately I WAS able, after trying for SEVEN YEARS, to sell my house and “get out of Cuomo’s mess” !!! Schools in Horseheads have always been the TOP of anywhere, however, now with all the $$ going to NYC the funding to schools is gone which unfortunately ruining the system !! These are the facts !! It is still a great place full of great people, if all the NYC transplants were evicted back to their “home” it would be listed as one of the BEST places in the COUNTRY let alone the state, to live !! However, because of the NYC connection, I wouldn’t wish New York on any “friend” … I hope ALLK the good people can move out, like I, and leave the whole state to Cuomo and HIS “friends” !!! Come on down to South Carolina and ENJOY life AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. In spite of our “far below New York State standards” education, those of us in Richland know that living in an area with “low population density” is a wonderful thing. We’re surrounded by woods and streams and wildlife, and we get to watch the Lake Ontario sunsets. We only get stuck in traffic if we’re behind an Amish buggy for a couple of minutes. We can live on much less, because we can buy a home for much less. And when we do feel the need to go somewhere for “indoor entertainment,” we’re only half an hour from Syracuse, because I-81 is right there.

    Actually, I hope that people believe your story, so that we can keep our “low population density” just the way it is. 🙂

  11. Infotainment it is! Clearly, you’re not familiar with the area at all. I moved away from my hometown of Johnstown for bigger cities and never looked back. But this article is totally laughable and haaaaardly ‘scientific!?’ Way off the mark, dudes. Johnstown is a really beautiful city. I had an awesome childhood there. It has everything you could want (fishing, camping, lakes, killer grinders, movies, ice cream!) and NYC and Boston only a four hour drive away? It’s not perfect because nowhere is but it’s a great community and a great and safe place to raise kids. Write about what you know, not about what you guess. At the very least do real research. Oy vey. 518 representing!

  12. What school did you go to?The proper way to spell “data”, is the way that I spelled it, not ” date”. Do you ever read what you post?

  13. He has Ilion on the list at number 22 and lists the population as around 8,000. Then a few lines down he lists German Flatts with a population of around 13,000. German Flatts is the township that incorporates Mohawk AND Ilion. So he has counted Ilion twice and should have listed Mohawk at around 5,000 people.

  14. I knew I shouldn’t read an article that comes with a disclaimer that it is just their opinion….. but the fact that Johnstown could be on that list is ridiculous. I grew up 15 minutes from Johnstown, and crime is non existent, the school system is wonderful, and it is a beautiful area of upstate New York. The median income is low, but the cost of living is way below the national average. Jobs are hard to come by in an area that heavily relied on factories and leather mills for their income, but to put Johnstown in the same category as some of these other towns is a joke. And no, Johnstown is NOT my hometown, I did not go to school there, no longer live in the area. But let’s be realistic here…. Johnstown on the same list as Gloversville, but Amsterdam, Schenectady or Troy don’t even make the list? Um, no.

  15. Uniondale is ranked almost the same as Garden City, and Mineola has a higher score than GC? Now I know your data is garbage. Granted, the places you listed are not on my list of desirable places to live, but how can we take your results seriously when you have faulty research?

  16. Spot on. I’m from Johnstown, and have family in Gloversville. Every person that I know that has moved away from these two towns regard it as one of the best decisions they ever made. All of upstate NY is beautiful, but that alone isn’t enough to live on. People of Johnstown used to joke about the crime in Gloversville, and that was nearly 20 yrs ago. It obviously hasn’t improved.
    I also remember seeing Gloversville make a similar list back in 1997. I remember it well, because it was on the news the month I left to join the Air Force. Beautiful to visit, but I’ll never move back.
    Sorry New York 🙁

  17. I grew up in Johnstown, went to school in Johnstown K-12, had jobs in Johnstown. I do think that its ok for Johnstown to make this list. Its realy not one of the best towns out there. Jobs are hard to come by, yes. I can say that you arent going to find a decent paying job and be able to live “comfortably” with a family of lets say 4. As for the schools, they can be better for sure, without a doubt. I left when I was 18 and hadnt been back since other than a visit. I see people I have grown up with, still in Johnstown, like they dont want to leave the place and possibly have a better life. But i guess if youre ok with “Mediocre” then stay there.

  18. Not a bad study, a very interesting topic. Although the research itself seems a bit shallow. Particularly, the use of population density as an indicator of indoor entertainment is not really sufficient or useful. You would be better off using something like commercial density or better yet, the percentage of commercial properties occupied against how many commercial areas are zoned. That would require a little more research than google can provide but the info is out there (I did a similar study a few years ago as part of my undergrad studies). You also need to define crime better. I would limit crime to felony responses to indicate worse areas rather than crime itself. A kid shoplifting from the local trading post in small town upstate New York cannot be considered equal to an armed robbery with a deadly weapon in your larger urban areas. You have a bunch of variables that you examined but for something this complex you may have to try to develop ratios to address quality of life indicators rather than individual standalone variables unless you were attempting to prove some sort of causal relationship (which I do not believe was the case here).

  19. You had Herkimer which is a village and a county. You referred to all as cities while most were villages or townships and you omitted the Beautiful Mohawk Valley Jewel which is between Herkimer and Utica, FRANKFORT is both a Village and a Town, the village is probably the warmest most fantastic place in the Mohawk Valley, 2nd probably only to NYC. .

  20. Where did you get your population figures for Richland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richland,_New_York. The population was 5,718 at the 2010 census. I dont think it grew 2x’s as much in 5 years. From the article you can tell you only visited 11 places and picked 10. Try visiting all of new york first, then comment. Richland is your typical Farm country area of Upstate New York, there are no skytowers, or big industries, and thats the way they like it. Farm country does not equal poor. Show me a rich farm town and I’ll show you people not working hard for their money.

  21. Most of the “best” places to live are on Long Island and in Westchester County. You couldn’t pay me enough money to live in either of those places. I’ll take the mountains, lakes, cows, farms, and lack of night life ANYtime!

  22. Grew up in Richland and have lived in five of the ten worst places to live in New York State. Someone else mentioned it – it’s because we’re saddled with New York City and Long Island. They control the politics, the money and we are forgotten, except when they want to ship their criminals up here and all of their leeches come along for the ride. We dish out more welfare to downstate transplants than anywhere else in the country, all of our tax money gets shipped downstate and we’re stuck paying high taxes for minimal representation. These people touting the loves of Johnstown and Gloversville must love empty storefronts because there’s nothing going on in those towns, anyone touting the safety of Herkimer must have forgotten the national headlines of the gunman shooting random people a couple of years ago and Oneida isn’t even important enough to warrant a Thruway exit, if it wasn’t for the Oneida Nation they’d shut down Oneida years ago. Wake up people, this list is spot on but you’re too damn cranky and blind to notice it. Y’all are probably the same one croaking about the new area code coming to the Syracuse area and having to dial 10 digits.

  23. I’ve visited a few of the “top ten”, and yes, it’s pretty much accurate, even if it has been decades since i’ve been there. judging by the prominent common denominator of vacant store fronts in each of the street views, i’d judge things are considerably worse now. i noticed Olean at #12–it had a movie theatre and a couple bars for hot action back then–i judge the theatre has gone away as it wasn’t doing well at the time. sad, because that is some of the most beautiful country-side in america.

  24. Garbage in garbage out. Population density as a marker for…what? Try substituting “pop density” with “commute times”; then use “high school completion rates” instead of “expenditures/student”–and watch the “scientific results” change dramatically. Very poor criteria selection. These results are not worthy of any serious consideration.

  25. Upstate NY pays less in taxes and gets more tax revenue back from the state. Downstate NY pays more in taxes than it gets back from the state. There is tons of research that proves this yet up staters continue to get it wrong. And yes I do live in NYC but I think upstate NY is one of the most beautiful parts of our country and I spend a lot of time and money visiting places like Hudson, Ithaca, and the Adirondack region.

  26. Being from Syracuse moving to Elmira a long time ago Elmira was a nice small city with lots of areas around it Pine City, Elmira Heights, Horseheads, Big Flats, Corning so it is quite a large area of people and places. The city has tried to come back after the flood which took a lot of the buildings. It is not bad here at all I am mad they put it on the list..

  27. I agree with this report of Herkimer. I have lived here all my life and being 63 and going down hill in my years, I feel like Herkimer is going the same way as me. Someone mentioned about crime from these kids that come from NYC and get college for free and bring their crime ridden ways with them. I had a college house across the street from me. I hated living there on the weekends. There was noise, littering, under age drinking and fighting going on. When I went over to ask them to calm it down, all I got from the young punks was name calling and threats. Then I start calling the police on them as the neighbors were afraid to. I don’t how many times I called the police over the period of four years and yet it was like hell and the only time we had peace was in the summer when college was out.
    When we did have problems there on the weekends, the cops would come when I called and sure enough there was under age drinking. One night I counted over 75 students forced from the home and this was a common occurrence.
    Then there is Main St in which I called section eight street. You have dilapidated building which look like crap. There are tattoo shops and many second hand stores. As for the tattoo shops at one time there was more here than there was in a Navy town. There are over weight women pushing children in strollers and scroungey men whom along with women sit in front of the building sitting idle. One day during the summer I took a stroll down Main St. And counted a total of 23 empty store fronts. When you look above you see Windows covered with sheets and rags and in some cases I have seen people spitting out of the Windows. Øn a few occasions there were even people urinating onto the street below. When there is talk about why these people don’t work I will say this. The lack of job opportunities is the result economic issues caused by the county, the state and the federal government. Jobs have left the area since the Early seventies. Remington Arms is the only large manufacturing company left and they are in fear of moving out.
    The Herkimer County Legislature has done a lot to maintain the poor condition of the County which includes Herkimer. They are a do nothing group waiting for retirement so they can collect insurance when the retire. We have several industrial parks of a good size without hardly anything going on.
    It was rumored the county chairman, Mr. Bono kept Hiedlburger Bakery from Herkimer from building everything they wanted at the Frankfort Industerail Park. The reason for this is he wanted to protect the small Friendly Bake Shop in downtown Frankfort from losing bussiness. What a dumb thing to do and this would have created more jobs. There other times that businesses were interest in the Frankfort Park but other people stopped it.
    While Onieda County was moving forward. They took control of the water rights of Hinkley Resiviour for their needs. All the time our illustrious Assembly Man Marc Butler did nothing to stop it.
    About housing, yes the price of homes are cheap but when one wants to sell a home say $250,000, they find it impossible to find a buyer. Who would want to buy a nice home in Herkimer when there are no high paying job and the quality of life is non existent. Think about this, drugs are rampant and the crime that goes with it. Also, Brookwood Park, once the premier park around when I was younger is nothing but a junk hole. It once had play equipment, nice picnic table and grills to cook on. The west road is in disrepair will never get fixed. Then there is Mirror Lake just outside the village which was let go to be forgotten by village leaders years ago.
    I could go on but won’t, but let me say, the one inprovement I have seen is the school system in Herkimer. They take care of my son and continue to do so in the adversity that we have.
    While Herkimer may be number eight on the list, it is important to remember that this didn’t happen over night. It is my opinion that the county Legislators had a lot to do with.
    I’m sure things will improve here sometime, but when is the real question.

  28. How is Binghamton NOT in the top 5 or the very least the top 10. Yeah it’s up there in the teens but this place has become considerably worse over the years. Broome County in general is an absolute shit hole.

  29. This article is correct with the towns that were listed as the worst on Long Island. Those towns mentioned have high crime and poverty. Stick to the north shore towns if you want to live in a decent place on Long Island but expect to pay a pretty penny

  30. I am really surprised that Binghamton is only 8. That place is a diaster!! I recently moved to that area, and what a mistake.If it was a house, it would have been condemned, and labeled Unfit for human habitation!!!

  31. My boyfriend lives in Bath and I live in Watertown and I would argue that Bath is MUCH more dangerous than Watertown, even though less people live in Bath.

  32. Hudson falls is a shi hole. Hard to find work in the area. Stealing and drug use are common. Homeless people and welfare recipients will make about as much as you do.

  33. I find it hard to believe Schenectady didnt even get an honourable mention…has anybody actually been up here? Zombies in the middle of the road, stoned out of their gord!! People stealing stuff from your property in broad daylight while your home?? Its the skid mark of the northeast…

    1. Schenectady NY downtown is booming! Proctors, new casino, brand new beautiful rail station, plentiful parking, and restaurants and bars filled every weekend downtown. A trip through downtown on state street and erie blvd reveals traffic and lots of mixed use buildings going up. Thats not to say neighborhoods dont have their challenges, but neighborhood clean ups should be a concerted effort by the stakeholders who live there.

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