These Are The 10 Worst Places To Live In New York For 2018


We used science and data to determine which cities in The Empire State are the real pits.

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The state of New York. You can’t possibly attempt to summarize the entire state in a couple of paragraphs. Except we can tell you, the people there are fiercely protective of where they live. And, like most other people in the northeast, they’d most likely you stay out. Even when you’re on vacation.

If you’ve ever been to the state of New York (besides NYC), you’d know why it’s a gem. If you haven’t been, and actually venture out beyond the confines of downtown, you’d see it’s one of the most beautiful places in the country.

But is it all good in The Empire State? Of course not. Just like every other state, New York has its least desirable spots. The purpose of this post is to use science and data to determine which cities are the worst you could possibly live in if you make New York your home.

After analyzing 163 of the state’s most populous cities (over 5,100 people), we came up with this list as the 10 worst places to live in the state of New York:

  1. Monticello (Photos)
  2. Rochester (Photos)
  3. Newburgh (Photos)
  4. Gloversville
  5. Buffalo (Photos)
  6. Niagara Falls (Photos)
  7. Utica (Photos)
  8. Binghamton (Photos)
  9. Syracuse (Photos)
  10. Jamestown (Photos)

What? Where are these places you wonder? And before you get all riled up and say we’re picking on small town America, that’s not the case. We understand there’s a lot of good in every place.

However, according to data (which doesn’t measure things like beauty and ‘friendly people’), there are far better options in the state for making a place home. Read on below to see how we crunched the numbers and see how your city fared in 2018.

If you’re looking for something more national, check out the worst cities in America or the worst states in America.

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How we determined the worst places to live in New York for 2018

To figure out how bad a place is to live in, we only needed to know what kinds of things people like and then decide what cities have the least amount of those things.

We don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that people like the following things:

  • Good education
  • Lots of jobs
  • Low crime
  • Low poverty
  • Nice homes
  • High incomes
  • High population density (Lots of things to do)
  • Short work commutes
  • Health insurance

The data comes from the Census’s most recent American Community Survey and from the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

We broke crime down into violent crime and property crime to give violent crime a larger weight — if you did a simple calculation of all crimes per capita, property crimes are normally 7x more common and really bias that ranking.

Furthermore, only cities with at least 5,100 people were considered — leaving 163 cities.

We then ranked each city from 1 to 163 for all the criteria with a #1 ranking being the worst for the particular criteria.

Next, we averaged the rankings into one ‘Worst Place To Live Score’.

Finally, we ranked every city on the ‘Worst Place To Live Score’ with the lowest score being the worst city in New York — Monticello. Read on for a detailed look at the 10 worst cities in New York.

This list is a scientific analysis based on real data and is completely unbiased.

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1. Monticello

Monticello, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 6,577
Rank Last Year: 1 (No Change)
Home Values: $83,700 (19th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 15.9% (1st worst)
There’s probably not many people in New York that would be surprised to see Monticello on this list. In fact, if Monticello wasn’t somewhere in the top 10, most people would start to wonder if our data was accurate.

Here are the statistics. Monticello has the 106th worst crime rate in New York. No surprises there. How dangerous is it though? There were almost 30 violent crimes in Monticello in 2015. Residents here had a 1 in 213 chance of being killed, raped or attacked. Just wow.

The home values in Monticello are the 19th cheapest in the state ($83,700), the unemployment rate is the 1st highest (15.9%), and the annual household income is 4th lowest in New York, at $26,786. That’s basically at the poverty level for a family of four.

2. Rochester

Rochester, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 210,291
Rank Last Year: 3 (Up 1)
Home Values: $77,800 (15th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 13.0% (5th worst)
If you live in Rochester, this might not be a surprise, but you have the 12th highest crime rate, per capita in the state of New York. Every year you spend here, you have a 1 in 26.9 chance of being the victim of a property crime like a car break in or home invasion robbery.

That’s a lot of stolen cell phones, laptops and black license plates.

Plus there were 1,845 violent crimes in the last FBI reporting year. That means if you spent a year there, you’d have a 1 in 113 chance of being raped or attacked.

Finally, the folks who live here earn the 12th lowest salaries in New York at $31,684 a household, that’s simply not enough to get by for most folks.

3. Newburgh

Newburgh, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 28,406
Rank Last Year: 6 (Up 3)
Home Values: $165,900 (73rd worst)
Unemployment Rate: 11.9% (12th worst)
Newburgh is another place in the Empire State that has some real eye-opening numbers. The unemployment rate in Newburgh is a staggering 11.9%, but at least those who have jobs earn a modest salary ($33,469 a year). Homes are actually priced respectfully at $165,900, but still far lower than the state average.

Crime in Newburgh is bad, but not horrible.

4. Gloversville


Population: 15,158
Rank Last Year: 2 (Down 2)
Home Values: $76,500 (13th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 11.6% (16th worst)
Gloversville is right next door to Johnstown. Both areas are really undesirable, when looking at it from a scientific perspective. However, Gloversville takes the cake as the worst of the worst.

The issue with Gloversville is crime and homes that are some of the least expensive in the state. For an average price of $76,500, you can live in Gloversville. Does that tell you how bad it is here?

Additionally, Gloversville currently has a huge problem with robberies. If you’re within Gloversville city limits, you have a 1 in 34.1 chance of being robbed. Perhaps it’s the high unemployment rate (11.6%) or the low income levels ($33,760 per household), but you simply can’t let your guard down if you live here.

5. Buffalo

Buffalo, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 258,989
Rank Last Year: 4 (Down 1)
Home Values: $72,600 (11th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 9.9% (28th worst)
Buffalo, NY needs a big hug right now. Residents here are underpaid, underemployed and possibly lonely.

Additionally, crime is 2nd worst in the state, which is very high considering Buffalo is so far removed from the rest of New York.

If you know anyone in Buffalo, dm them on Facebook and tell them you love them. They can probably use it right about now.

6. Niagara Falls

Niagara Falls, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 49,180
Rank Last Year: 7 (Up 1)
Home Values: $69,200 (6th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 10.2% (24th worst)
Niagara Falls is the 1st most dangerous place in the state of New York. We’re not talking about falling over the cliffs. And yes, pick pocketers preying on unsuspecting tourists is probably a high number of those crimes. But the fact remains, that when you’re within Niagara Falls city limits, you have a 1 in 20.5 chance of being robbed or having something you own vandalized.

Does that sound like a fun place to live? Did you know Niagara Falls also has the 24th highest unemployment rate in the state at 10.2%? Or that homes are only valued at $69,200?

Say what you want about cheap living. The fact is, homes are priced by demand, and there’s little demand to live in Niagara Falls.

7. Utica

Utica, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 61,337
Rank Last Year: 9 (Up 2)
Home Values: $89,300 (29th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 11.9% (12th worst)
If you live in Utica, you’re either going to come to the defense of your city and tell us that we’re idiots, or you secretly hoped you wouldn’t see your city mentioned here. The fact is, Utica isn’t necessarily a very desirable place to live, no matter how you look at it. And you probably know it.

Crime is the 13th highest in the whole state, per capita. Income levels are just about as low as you can expect, and homes are just about as cheap as you’ll find within 300 miles.

8. Binghamton

Binghamton, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 46,277
Rank Last Year: 12 (Up 4)
Home Values: $87,500 (28th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 10.8% (20th worst)
The city of Binghamton is the 8th worst place you can live in the state of New York in 2015.

It’s unlucky for Binghamton, which has the 20th highest unemployment rate (10.8%), the 7th lowest household incomes ($30,183) and the 28th lowest home prices in the state ($87,500).

Basically, a lot of people in Binghamton are out of work. And crime is certainly a factor here as well. Although it’s not one of the most dangerous places we’ll look at, it’s in the top 20%.

Add it all up, and this is truly one of the worst places you could live in New York.

9. Syracuse

Syracuse, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 144,350
Rank Last Year: 10 (Up 1)
Home Values: $89,900 (30th worst)
Unemployment Rate: 10.7% (22nd worst)
you’re looking to live in New York, Syracuse might not be the best choice as it places 9th in our ranking of the worst places to live for 2015.

Syracuse doesn’t have the worst crime in the state, but it’s sure up there. And when you factor in one of the lowest household incomes in the state and a sky high unemployment rate, Syracuse may not be your first choice for a vacation.

10. Jamestown

Jamestown, New York

Source: Wikipedia

Population: 30,345
Rank Last Year: 15 (Up 5)
Home Values: $64,700 (2nd worst)
Unemployment Rate: 9.5% (34th worst)
Here in Jamestown, you have some of the highest crime and the highest unemployment rates in New York. That’s not a good combination.

Located in Chautauqua County, you have a 1 in 28.5 chance of being the victim of a property crime when inside Jamestown city limits every year. Some of those crimes might be due to the relatively high unemployment rate (9.5%). That’s good for the 34th highest unemployment rate in New York.

Wrapping Up The Worst In New York

If you’re looking at areas in New York with the worst economic situations, where there’s higher than average crime, and not a lot to do, this is an accurate list.

And in the end, Monticello ranks as the worst city to live in New York for 2018.

If you’re curious enough, here are the best cities to live in New York:

  1. North Hills (Pop. 5,420)
  2. Floral Park (Pop. 16,189)
  3. Rye (Pop. 15,949)

For more New York reading, check out:

Detailed List Of The Worst Cities In New York

City Rank Previous Rank Population Unemployment Rate Home Value
Monticello 1 1 6,577 15.9% $83,700
Rochester 2 3 210,291 13.0% $77,800
Newburgh 3 6 28,406 11.9% $165,900
Gloversville 4 2 15,158 11.6% $76,500
Buffalo 5 4 258,989 9.9% $72,600
Niagara Falls 6 7 49,180 10.2% $69,200
Utica 7 9 61,337 11.9% $89,300
Binghamton 8 12 46,277 10.8% $87,500
Syracuse 9 10 144,350 10.7% $89,900
Jamestown 10 15 30,345 9.5% $64,700
Lackawanna 11 11 17,992 9.7% $84,800
Poughkeepsie 12 14 30,511 14.4% $193,100
Endicott 13 16 13,073 9.4% $92,100
Elmira 14 20 28,583 8.8% $70,300
Salamanca 15 8 5,638 12.0% $63,500
Albion 16 5 5,802 8.3% $72,500
Schenectady 17 37 65,554 10.0% $112,900
Fulton 18 13 11,622 14.4% $77,000
Massena 19 19 11,000 15.2% $74,200
Troy 20 18 49,881 9.9% $144,300
Rensselaer 21 27 9,435 12.6% $129,800
Ogdensburg 22 23 10,937 9.2% $68,000
Newark 23 21 9,068 13.0% $85,200
Watertown 24 29 26,997 9.2% $131,500
Amsterdam 25 17 18,063 10.6% $86,500
Dunkirk 26 39 12,186 11.0% $65,300
Auburn 27 22 27,101 9.7% $97,200
Johnstown 28 62 8,431 7.9% $98,400
Oswego 29 31 17,880 9.5% $84,100
Bath 30 26 5,674 7.3% $78,700
Herkimer 31 40 7,294 9.3% $86,200
Hudson Falls 32 25 7,202 12.8% $121,400
Ilion 33 24 7,986 12.3% $81,300
Malone 34 28 5,768 7.7% $82,800
Kingston 35 32 23,506 9.0% $167,000
Albany 36 41 98,425 7.5% $172,700
Mastic Beach 37 36 14,867 10.2% $189,200
Spring Valley 38 30 32,415 11.8% $255,300
Brockport 39 65 8,444 8.3% $111,100
Oneida 40 56 11,186 7.4% $109,600
Lockport 41 44 20,722 6.7% $86,200
Mount Vernon 42 47 68,217 10.8% $357,800
Port Jervis 43 35 8,650 7.7% $157,600
North Syracuse 44 60 6,679 11.4% $106,200
Potsdam 45 59 9,682 9.8% $108,700
Sleepy Hollow 46 46 10,117 7.9% $595,800
Middletown 47 38 27,601 6.7% $187,200
Hudson 48 33 6,549 7.2% $183,100
Webster 49 42 5,532 3.2% $143,500
Kiryas Joel 50 58 21,665 5.4% $360,600
Solvay 51 45 6,455 6.1% $108,800
Wappingers Falls 52 53 5,429 3.0% $211,100
Walden 53 49 6,769 9.1% $208,800
Ossining 54 64 25,299 7.4% $371,300
Batavia 55 51 15,012 5.1% $93,900
Haverstraw 56 43 12,120 9.4% $257,900
East Rochester 57 50 6,679 7.2% $96,700
Geneva 58 54 13,136 6.7% $91,000
Hornell 59 61 8,400 9.9% $65,900
New Paltz 60 98 7,034 12.0% $290,500
Canton 61 77 6,624 11.0% $163,700
Mount Kisco 62 70 11,062 6.1% $405,000
Olean 63 62 13,991 6.8% $72,200
Baldwinsville 64 48 7,461 7.1% $119,200
Monroe 65 79 8,547 5.0% $304,900
Norwich 66 52 6,979 7.5% $86,600
New York 67 54 8,461,961 8.6% $508,900
Port Chester 68 76 29,417 7.5% $435,100
Beacon 69 57 14,289 8.7% $244,600
Lancaster 70 72 10,220 7.8% $123,200
Canandaigua 71 87 10,460 6.8% $161,200
Fredonia 72 94 10,801 8.1% $128,900
Goshen 73 91 5,378 6.1% $300,900
Medina 74 34 5,885 7.9% $72,300
Saranac Lake 75 78 5,569 7.1% $148,500
Yonkers 76 73 199,725 8.6% $379,500
Depew 77 66 15,325 5.5% $112,300
Rome 78 71 32,673 5.5% $94,100
West Haverstraw 79 74 10,334 7.1% $264,600
Washingtonville 80 75 5,813 5.5% $242,600
Warwick 81 89 6,777 7.1% $299,400
Oneonta 82 95 13,863 8.3% $141,100
New Square 83 69 7,804 11.7% $339,000
Peekskill 84 68 23,977 8.2% $289,100
Hilton 85 95 5,921 6.1% $126,100
Patchogue 86 83 12,293 6.6% $297,700
Geneseo 87 82 8,124 5.5% $157,800
Rye Brook 88 108 9,513 9.4% $737,100
New Hempstead 89 81 5,311 8.9% $471,200
Corning 90 67 10,978 6.5% $105,100
Hempstead 91 80 55,454 7.1% $306,900
Plattsburgh 92 85 19,820 6.6% $148,600
Ithaca 93 100 30,625 7.4% $219,100
Mamaroneck 94 105 19,263 6.8% $591,700
Glens Falls 95 88 14,422 8.0% $150,800
Horseheads 96 112 6,608 3.0% $104,000
Croton-On-Hudson 97 93 8,209 6.7% $519,400
East Aurora 98 85 6,209 3.2% $180,000
Watervliet 99 92 10,207 7.2% $139,000
Waterloo 100 89 5,184 4.5% $86,000

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52 thoughts on “These Are The 10 Worst Places To Live In New York For 2018

  1. Wow, not only are you”two guys” not even remotely located to these areas, living in NC, but you really think these stats are enough, shouldn’t there be some weight against the good and the success,I am well versed in the johnstown gloversville area, born and raised and while there may be many local and current issues, that you speak of, such as crime and burglaries, along with the better places to reside statistically, the area has much to offer that many a person and their families migrate for. You can’t tell me that there aren’t worse areas in those respects, in other areas of our state! Where are you getting your so called facts and how in the world could this be infotainment to anyone living in these areas, shame on you for creating this topic! Why don’t you tell us a little bit about where you live?

  2. All jokes on my misspelling of words please. I type like a crazy person. But seriously to pick at harmless Oneida is incredibly mindless… whether its over “crunching numbers” or not. The title of the article doesnt even mention numbers. Do more research Nick James ya little jerk.

    1. Um Oneida is my hometown and I agree completely on it being on this list. Example 1: Maxwell park has swastikas and kkk written all over it’s concession stand. Example 2: my mother in law has been threatened to have her house shot up. Example 3: have you not heard of all the meth lab busts? Oneida is a crap hole and totally undesirable to live in. So glad I got out when I could.

        1. I do not see Canastota anywhere on that list. Why would you even bring it up? It obviously is not as bad of a place to live as these others or it would be on the list.

  3. This is a cool idea, but your numbers are skewed partly because you do not take into account cost of living. Long Island has some of the crappiest towns in New York, but they didn’t show up on the radar because incomes are so much higher here. At the same time, everything is higher here (crime, drugs, cost of everything). There are definitely some really lousy places in the rest of NY, but I’ve been all over this state an I can say for sure your numbers are not accurate because of what you’re leaving out.

  4. I am sorry but Herkimer is a safe place to live. Are there some bad areas in the town yes there are. All towns and cities have them. Is the poverty rate high around here yes and one of the reasons is because people are too damn lazy to get off their asses and get a job. They don’t want to lose their benefits. There are job opportunities around here. Yeah they don’t pay much but there are jobs that people can work. Houses for sale around here in the town are reasonable and that is because they come with little land. The more land a house has the more money you pay for the house. That is the way it works around here. The crime rate is not as high as you think it is. The only time it has a high rate is when the same college is back in session and the inner new york city kids come up here for a free ride and do nothing up here but cause trouble. Other

    1. It’s not always the city kids causing trouble in Herkimer. It’s mostly the local, inbred, drop-out punks that cause the most trouble. & they get away with everything just because mommy & daddy know everyone.
      Not to mention the high amount of rapists in the area & the high amount of drug users & dealers…..Same goes for Utica! The only difference is that there’s a higher cultural diversity in Utica (a good thing). But Herkimer doesn’t want to admit that they don’t like people from other ethnicities. I agree with this list.

    2. I agree. I grew up in Herkimer and still have family there. I readily admit that it has problems, like many small towns across the country do. However, this survey bases everything on statistics without taking into consideration the people who live in these towns. I’ve seen the Main Steet area in Herkimer get progressively worse over the years and I attribute it to one factor. Absentee landlords who don’t give a damn about who they rent to and how their properties look. This has nothing to to with racial diversity either. When all you care about is collecting rent from drug users and lifelong welfare recipients you create an environment in which a small town is set up to decline. Of course there are some local people in town whose character is questionable – like every town in America. However, I never noticed the kind of social decay that I’ve seen in recent years until the downtown area became a haven for people who came in from the cities, attracted only by the lower cost of living and the ease of getting a handout from the government since Herkimer is the county seat.

    3. The Village of Herkimer doesn’t even have a “Homeless” Shelter for either Men, Women or Children! People have to “Beg” the City of Utica for Housing Assistance. That is why your “quaint” village is on the list. Your city “Priorities” are “Idiotic” to say the least!

  5. Not sure how you have Watertown worse off than Ogdensburg or Cortland. I believe jobs have been growing here or at least Countywide for the past 10 years since Fort Drum expanded again. You’re picture of the downtown is across the street from a Convergys call center with more than 500 employees, which is slated to add around 400 more. Should really use better facts.

  6. i realize this is a opinion article…. but the author did no field work and based the entire list off statistics with no credibility. Absolutely no one should take this article seriously, it’s misleading and very poorly written. i doubt the author even lives in NY.. anyone who lives in NY knows about 90% of this is bullshit

  7. This idiot is comparing the Town of Richland to the Cities of…..Not right of course numbers will be different, Rural vs Urban

  8. Elmira deserves the trashing that it got. I was born and raised there and consider myself lucky to have made my second escape from there (my first, to Corning doesn’t count) in 2011. Crime is high, unemployment is high, property values are low (unless you live in West Elmira), and the education system sucks. Elmira is a nice place to be FROM, it’s a damned sight less family friendly than it was before Agnes.

  9. It’s funny how some towns/cities are listed twice on the main list of worst or best places to live; one under the other. Also, some of the places you have listed are living areas of social-assisted people. Another thing is Many drug dealers from NYC or thereabouts come up this way to sell their wares which causes people to do criminal things to get what they want. You need to include more different facts and information to make an accurate portrayal of what is what in what you have labeled the worst. I noticed nothing of the lower part of NYS is listed? Wonder why? Could it be that these people are moving “Upstate” so they can continue their nefarious ways? All in all many people are moving out of this state because of the poor conditions of HIGH taxes, little or no employment that they want to work because it doesn’t pay top dollar, or employment based on their higher education degree. Schools in these areas are so low funded is because our government thinks more of NYC then “Upstate” so more money goes there instead–more voters–you wash my back, I’ll wash yours idea! Many people move to this state because it’s easier to get social assistance so they don’t work. Attitude-why work when I can live off the system for years and make more that way then if I work!

    1. Sharon hit it on the bullseye !!! Upstate was probably the BEST place in the WORLD to live, emphasis on WAS !! Now THEY have a governor who sends EVERYTHING to NYC and upstate funds his “project” !! NYC votes him in because he gives them everything … DUH !!! In addition MOST of the 10 worst cities have a prison FULL of NYC drug dealers and murderers and all their “families” move to town bringing all their crime with them and “living off the state” !!! I wonder why those cities are “busted”, can’t figure that out !?!? Notice I said “THEY” and not “WE”, fortunately I WAS able, after trying for SEVEN YEARS, to sell my house and “get out of Cuomo’s mess” !!! Schools in Horseheads have always been the TOP of anywhere, however, now with all the $$ going to NYC the funding to schools is gone which unfortunately ruining the system !! These are the facts !! It is still a great place full of great people, if all the NYC transplants were evicted back to their “home” it would be listed as one of the BEST places in the COUNTRY let alone the state, to live !! However, because of the NYC connection, I wouldn’t wish New York on any “friend” … I hope ALLK the good people can move out, like I, and leave the whole state to Cuomo and HIS “friends” !!! Come on down to South Carolina and ENJOY life AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. In spite of our “far below New York State standards” education, those of us in Richland know that living in an area with “low population density” is a wonderful thing. We’re surrounded by woods and streams and wildlife, and we get to watch the Lake Ontario sunsets. We only get stuck in traffic if we’re behind an Amish buggy for a couple of minutes. We can live on much less, because we can buy a home for much less. And when we do feel the need to go somewhere for “indoor entertainment,” we’re only half an hour from Syracuse, because I-81 is right there.

    Actually, I hope that people believe your story, so that we can keep our “low population density” just the way it is. 🙂

  11. Infotainment it is! Clearly, you’re not familiar with the area at all. I moved away from my hometown of Johnstown for bigger cities and never looked back. But this article is totally laughable and haaaaardly ‘scientific!?’ Way off the mark, dudes. Johnstown is a really beautiful city. I had an awesome childhood there. It has everything you could want (fishing, camping, lakes, killer grinders, movies, ice cream!) and NYC and Boston only a four hour drive away? It’s not perfect because nowhere is but it’s a great community and a great and safe place to raise kids. Write about what you know, not about what you guess. At the very least do real research. Oy vey. 518 representing!

  12. What school did you go to?The proper way to spell “data”, is the way that I spelled it, not ” date”. Do you ever read what you post?

  13. He has Ilion on the list at number 22 and lists the population as around 8,000. Then a few lines down he lists German Flatts with a population of around 13,000. German Flatts is the township that incorporates Mohawk AND Ilion. So he has counted Ilion twice and should have listed Mohawk at around 5,000 people.

  14. I knew I shouldn’t read an article that comes with a disclaimer that it is just their opinion….. but the fact that Johnstown could be on that list is ridiculous. I grew up 15 minutes from Johnstown, and crime is non existent, the school system is wonderful, and it is a beautiful area of upstate New York. The median income is low, but the cost of living is way below the national average. Jobs are hard to come by in an area that heavily relied on factories and leather mills for their income, but to put Johnstown in the same category as some of these other towns is a joke. And no, Johnstown is NOT my hometown, I did not go to school there, no longer live in the area. But let’s be realistic here…. Johnstown on the same list as Gloversville, but Amsterdam, Schenectady or Troy don’t even make the list? Um, no.

  15. Uniondale is ranked almost the same as Garden City, and Mineola has a higher score than GC? Now I know your data is garbage. Granted, the places you listed are not on my list of desirable places to live, but how can we take your results seriously when you have faulty research?

  16. Spot on. I’m from Johnstown, and have family in Gloversville. Every person that I know that has moved away from these two towns regard it as one of the best decisions they ever made. All of upstate NY is beautiful, but that alone isn’t enough to live on. People of Johnstown used to joke about the crime in Gloversville, and that was nearly 20 yrs ago. It obviously hasn’t improved.
    I also remember seeing Gloversville make a similar list back in 1997. I remember it well, because it was on the news the month I left to join the Air Force. Beautiful to visit, but I’ll never move back.
    Sorry New York 🙁

  17. I grew up in Johnstown, went to school in Johnstown K-12, had jobs in Johnstown. I do think that its ok for Johnstown to make this list. Its realy not one of the best towns out there. Jobs are hard to come by, yes. I can say that you arent going to find a decent paying job and be able to live “comfortably” with a family of lets say 4. As for the schools, they can be better for sure, without a doubt. I left when I was 18 and hadnt been back since other than a visit. I see people I have grown up with, still in Johnstown, like they dont want to leave the place and possibly have a better life. But i guess if youre ok with “Mediocre” then stay there.

  18. Not a bad study, a very interesting topic. Although the research itself seems a bit shallow. Particularly, the use of population density as an indicator of indoor entertainment is not really sufficient or useful. You would be better off using something like commercial density or better yet, the percentage of commercial properties occupied against how many commercial areas are zoned. That would require a little more research than google can provide but the info is out there (I did a similar study a few years ago as part of my undergrad studies). You also need to define crime better. I would limit crime to felony responses to indicate worse areas rather than crime itself. A kid shoplifting from the local trading post in small town upstate New York cannot be considered equal to an armed robbery with a deadly weapon in your larger urban areas. You have a bunch of variables that you examined but for something this complex you may have to try to develop ratios to address quality of life indicators rather than individual standalone variables unless you were attempting to prove some sort of causal relationship (which I do not believe was the case here).

  19. You had Herkimer which is a village and a county. You referred to all as cities while most were villages or townships and you omitted the Beautiful Mohawk Valley Jewel which is between Herkimer and Utica, FRANKFORT is both a Village and a Town, the village is probably the warmest most fantastic place in the Mohawk Valley, 2nd probably only to NYC. .

  20. Where did you get your population figures for Richland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richland,_New_York. The population was 5,718 at the 2010 census. I dont think it grew 2x’s as much in 5 years. From the article you can tell you only visited 11 places and picked 10. Try visiting all of new york first, then comment. Richland is your typical Farm country area of Upstate New York, there are no skytowers, or big industries, and thats the way they like it. Farm country does not equal poor. Show me a rich farm town and I’ll show you people not working hard for their money.

  21. Most of the “best” places to live are on Long Island and in Westchester County. You couldn’t pay me enough money to live in either of those places. I’ll take the mountains, lakes, cows, farms, and lack of night life ANYtime!

  22. Grew up in Richland and have lived in five of the ten worst places to live in New York State. Someone else mentioned it – it’s because we’re saddled with New York City and Long Island. They control the politics, the money and we are forgotten, except when they want to ship their criminals up here and all of their leeches come along for the ride. We dish out more welfare to downstate transplants than anywhere else in the country, all of our tax money gets shipped downstate and we’re stuck paying high taxes for minimal representation. These people touting the loves of Johnstown and Gloversville must love empty storefronts because there’s nothing going on in those towns, anyone touting the safety of Herkimer must have forgotten the national headlines of the gunman shooting random people a couple of years ago and Oneida isn’t even important enough to warrant a Thruway exit, if it wasn’t for the Oneida Nation they’d shut down Oneida years ago. Wake up people, this list is spot on but you’re too damn cranky and blind to notice it. Y’all are probably the same one croaking about the new area code coming to the Syracuse area and having to dial 10 digits.

  23. I’ve visited a few of the “top ten”, and yes, it’s pretty much accurate, even if it has been decades since i’ve been there. judging by the prominent common denominator of vacant store fronts in each of the street views, i’d judge things are considerably worse now. i noticed Olean at #12–it had a movie theatre and a couple bars for hot action back then–i judge the theatre has gone away as it wasn’t doing well at the time. sad, because that is some of the most beautiful country-side in america.

  24. Garbage in garbage out. Population density as a marker for…what? Try substituting “pop density” with “commute times”; then use “high school completion rates” instead of “expenditures/student”–and watch the “scientific results” change dramatically. Very poor criteria selection. These results are not worthy of any serious consideration.

  25. Upstate NY pays less in taxes and gets more tax revenue back from the state. Downstate NY pays more in taxes than it gets back from the state. There is tons of research that proves this yet up staters continue to get it wrong. And yes I do live in NYC but I think upstate NY is one of the most beautiful parts of our country and I spend a lot of time and money visiting places like Hudson, Ithaca, and the Adirondack region.

  26. Being from Syracuse moving to Elmira a long time ago Elmira was a nice small city with lots of areas around it Pine City, Elmira Heights, Horseheads, Big Flats, Corning so it is quite a large area of people and places. The city has tried to come back after the flood which took a lot of the buildings. It is not bad here at all I am mad they put it on the list..

  27. I agree with this report of Herkimer. I have lived here all my life and being 63 and going down hill in my years, I feel like Herkimer is going the same way as me. Someone mentioned about crime from these kids that come from NYC and get college for free and bring their crime ridden ways with them. I had a college house across the street from me. I hated living there on the weekends. There was noise, littering, under age drinking and fighting going on. When I went over to ask them to calm it down, all I got from the young punks was name calling and threats. Then I start calling the police on them as the neighbors were afraid to. I don’t how many times I called the police over the period of four years and yet it was like hell and the only time we had peace was in the summer when college was out.
    When we did have problems there on the weekends, the cops would come when I called and sure enough there was under age drinking. One night I counted over 75 students forced from the home and this was a common occurrence.
    Then there is Main St in which I called section eight street. You have dilapidated building which look like crap. There are tattoo shops and many second hand stores. As for the tattoo shops at one time there was more here than there was in a Navy town. There are over weight women pushing children in strollers and scroungey men whom along with women sit in front of the building sitting idle. One day during the summer I took a stroll down Main St. And counted a total of 23 empty store fronts. When you look above you see Windows covered with sheets and rags and in some cases I have seen people spitting out of the Windows. Øn a few occasions there were even people urinating onto the street below. When there is talk about why these people don’t work I will say this. The lack of job opportunities is the result economic issues caused by the county, the state and the federal government. Jobs have left the area since the Early seventies. Remington Arms is the only large manufacturing company left and they are in fear of moving out.
    The Herkimer County Legislature has done a lot to maintain the poor condition of the County which includes Herkimer. They are a do nothing group waiting for retirement so they can collect insurance when the retire. We have several industrial parks of a good size without hardly anything going on.
    It was rumored the county chairman, Mr. Bono kept Hiedlburger Bakery from Herkimer from building everything they wanted at the Frankfort Industerail Park. The reason for this is he wanted to protect the small Friendly Bake Shop in downtown Frankfort from losing bussiness. What a dumb thing to do and this would have created more jobs. There other times that businesses were interest in the Frankfort Park but other people stopped it.
    While Onieda County was moving forward. They took control of the water rights of Hinkley Resiviour for their needs. All the time our illustrious Assembly Man Marc Butler did nothing to stop it.
    About housing, yes the price of homes are cheap but when one wants to sell a home say $250,000, they find it impossible to find a buyer. Who would want to buy a nice home in Herkimer when there are no high paying job and the quality of life is non existent. Think about this, drugs are rampant and the crime that goes with it. Also, Brookwood Park, once the premier park around when I was younger is nothing but a junk hole. It once had play equipment, nice picnic table and grills to cook on. The west road is in disrepair will never get fixed. Then there is Mirror Lake just outside the village which was let go to be forgotten by village leaders years ago.
    I could go on but won’t, but let me say, the one inprovement I have seen is the school system in Herkimer. They take care of my son and continue to do so in the adversity that we have.
    While Herkimer may be number eight on the list, it is important to remember that this didn’t happen over night. It is my opinion that the county Legislators had a lot to do with.
    I’m sure things will improve here sometime, but when is the real question.

  28. How is Binghamton NOT in the top 5 or the very least the top 10. Yeah it’s up there in the teens but this place has become considerably worse over the years. Broome County in general is an absolute shit hole.

  29. This article is correct with the towns that were listed as the worst on Long Island. Those towns mentioned have high crime and poverty. Stick to the north shore towns if you want to live in a decent place on Long Island but expect to pay a pretty penny

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